Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Non-Aikido Martial Traditions

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-01-2008, 05:28 PM   #1
rob_liberti
Dojo: Shobu Aikido of Connecticut
Location: East Haven, CT
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,402
United_States
Offline
who has it, who doesn't, what it is, etc...

I actually believe that aikiDO is about character.
I believe that AIKI is about skill.

Conflating the 2 is simply wrong and annoying because it is just so obvious.

No way can I possibly believe that idiotic story about O sensei (and please refrain from making him Irish like "O'sensei" it's just distracting) having a revelation about aiki power - surrounded by a golden cloud or whatever. I can believe he had aiki in his body - trained by Takeda - and that he made the realization that the principles he manifested in his body matched up against the principles he was thinking about with regard to the kotodama. That makes sense.

Is DO about being a better person - yes. Wow, and the guy changed the name of his powerful art to have the word DO in it - shocker...

However, DO doesn't have to mean you are all sweet and enlightened. It just means you are a bit more so than you had been. Some people are starting from a deep hole. There are people who are long time into their DO - who are so ego invested that they left me the impression they want to have some sort of a death match with me.

Now please have at it. Please go on and on about how your 40 year paths to mediocrity are the best ways. Feel free to challenge the level of who vetted Dan and Mike and Aukuzawa. Have a pissing match about what ever you want until every one is bored of that discussion or until Jun has enough and closes this thread down. Just keep it here and not in my other thread.

Rob
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2008, 06:24 PM   #2
Kevin Leavitt
 
Kevin Leavitt's Avatar
Dojo: Team Combat USA
Location: Olympia, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,376
United_States
Offline
Re: who has it, who doesn't, what it is, etc...

I agree Rob.

Interestingly this is what FM 3-25.150 "Army Combatives" defines as the purpose of combatives training.

Quote:
1-2. PURPOSES OF COMBATIVES TRAINING
Soldiers must be prepared to use different levels of force in an environment where conflict may change from low intensity to high intensity over a matter of hours. Many military operations, such as peacekeeping missions or noncombatant evacuation, may restrict the use of deadly weapons. Hand-to-hand combatives training will save lives when an unexpected confrontation occurs.

More importantly, combatives training helps to instill courage and self-confidence. With competence comes the understanding of controlled aggression and the ability to remain focused while under duress. Training in combatives includes hard and arduous physical training that is, at the same time, mentally demanding and carries over to other military pursuits.
The first one deals with the physicality of martial training...the "aiki" if you will.

The second part deals with the DO or WAY.

I point this out only because it is a modern military reference and not some romantic samurai peace/harmony notion. I find it interesting that we make the same distinction in the modern Army.

The definition is really congruent with the goals of Aiki-Do.

You know, I don't know about all the clouds of light and all that stuff. I know many people that have had some very interesting life altering transformations take place. Good for them. Transcending the ordinary is something I hope is possible, as I think it is our only hope for peace/harmony one day.

I don't expect to sit under a tree all day and have a lightening bolt strike and become "one with the universe". I tend to think there is alot more to it than that.

  Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2008, 06:51 PM   #3
rob_liberti
Dojo: Shobu Aikido of Connecticut
Location: East Haven, CT
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,402
United_States
Offline
Re: who has it, who doesn't, what it is, etc...

Cool reference.

Yes, aikido is about transformation - not about transcending without making the changes...

Rob
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2008, 08:29 PM   #4
mathewjgano
 
mathewjgano's Avatar
Dojo: Tsubaki Kannagara Jinja Aikidojo; Himeji Shodokan Dojo
Location: Renton
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,276
United_States
Offline
Re: who has it, who doesn't, what it is, etc...

Quote:
Rob wrote:
I actually believe that aikiDO is about character.
I believe that AIKI is about skill.
Conflating the 2 is simply wrong and annoying because it is just so obvious.
While I think fusing character and skill together is crucial to the of O Sensei (only O'Sensei on St. Patty's Day ), suddenly switching from one topic to the other is very annoying, I agree. Assertions into the nature of people's personalities really shouldn't ever enter into many of the topics they have.

Quote:
Is DO about being a better person - yes. Wow, and the guy changed the name of his powerful art to have the word DO in it - shocker...
Actually, wasn't the name appointed by a government council of some kind or another?

Quote:
However, DO doesn't have to mean you are all sweet and enlightened. It just means you are a bit more so than you had been. Some people are starting from a deep hole.
That's a fact...and really, the doesn't even mean a person is a bit farther than they were before, "enlightenment" wise. It just shows something about their overt intent...and not that much, in and of itself.

Quote:
Now please have at it. Please go on and on about how your 40 year paths to mediocrity are the best ways. Feel free to challenge the level of who vetted Dan and Mike and Aukuzawa.
I'd just like to kick this off by stating they're all in trouble now! I have discovered the Wushu Finger Lock. Finally! The one technique to trump all approaches...although apparently it leaves a big mess.

Gambarimashyo!
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:57 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2024 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2024 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate